New Yamaha Engine and 5 Speed

[crazywatson]

Thanks to Cliff for hunting down the info. The new engine is 112 hp and has a 5 Speed manual transmission.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/18/7a256246cc3bb7b2061232a47046969e.jpg

[Beach Leo]

Awesome

No more Rubber band Drive

[neil11975]

So that comes out to about 112HP with a manual. I wonder how that will compare with the horsepower losses that a CVT transmission gets. It looks like there are 4 different models maybe?

[Bedo]

I'm not sure how I would like a 5 speed out on the mountain trails !

[AlfaBaz]

I'm not sure how I would like a 5 speed out on the mountain trails !

I agree. When I had my quad (Yamaha Big Bear 400), it was a five speed and all my friends had CVT. I could keep up with them as long as I was perfect on the shift points , but the CVT is always in the "right gear".

[EPL]

Not to sure about having a 5 speed trans !!! If i was still into sand all the time it might be ok .

[Beer Mod]

That's so great!

I hate belts almost as much as they hate me!

[Pipelayer]

That's so great!

I hate belts almost as much as they hate me!

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[Beer Mod]

I wonder how efficient they will be at putting the power to the ground vs a belt drive?

[neil11975]

I wonder how efficient they will be at putting the power to the ground vs a belt drive?
I have heard that a standard manual loses about 10% while a CVT is about 30%. I have no proof. Just what I have heard.

[Beer Mod]

Ok I heard 15% vs 25% so we are close haha

[Sandiam]

Look like it may be a great sxs for the sand !

[milosusa]

Guy from Evo posted that he get some info and those HP are actually RWHP...but we should know for sure in less than 2 days.
milos

[johnnycat8]

a guy in one of the yxz forums has pics of his eng with a thrown rod.. opps

[Flash]

a guy in one of the yxz forums has pics of his eng with a thrown rod.. opps

I think a lot of people are waiting to see how they hold up before pulling the trigger .

[milosusa]

a guy in one of the yxz forums has pics of his eng with a thrown rod.. opps

Interesting on which forum is it, nothing on the YXZ Talk forum...
milos

[Beach Leo]

Interesting on which forum is it, nothing on the YXZ Talk forum...
milosYa I was looking for it To

Wheres the Pics Cat8?

Thats all I can read any-way

[johnnycat8]

this is from the yamaha forum..yxz talk . com.... guy had his clutch go out.

"I ride flat deset riding-- just heard from my dealer-- clutch amd clutch plate are toast-- how-- nobody knows-- and to make matters even better Yamaha wont cover it-- and all parts are on backorder--
Im on the phone with Yamaha rep right now letting him know my displeasure- Not only am I out a machine for my family trip to Glamis, now Im out money after 346 miles..Im listing it and going back to a belt drive-- so fucking pist."


and another.

"I picked up my yxz on the 20th. The clutch burned on Friday the 23rd. 100 miles, 7.5 hrs. My dealer never mentioned parts on back order or not being covered under warranty. Now I'm worried."

even nate from alba has a burnt clutch,,

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[CrazyCooter]

I knew we would be seeing clutch issues, but thought it would take a little longer. A Recluse kit will fix the gearing they told me.........

Anyone else wanna bitch about belt drive and dream of a shifter play car?

[Mike621]

I bought a brand new 2002 Yamaha YZ426 Motocross bike back in the day, took it on the first race and burnt the clutch and plates up in the first moto, of a 4 moto weekend, needless to say I was pissed at the time, Yamaha wouldn't cover moto bike, I sold it and went back to two stroke. At the time everybody was switching to four strokes. So I guess it's just bad luck sometimes and someone ends up with the lemon.
I think for this type of machine though this should definitely be covered under warranty with only 350 miles on it, from what I hear it's hydraulic clutch with no adjustment, so had to be misadjusted at the factory.


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[johnnycat8]

I knew we would be seeing clutch issues, but thought it would take a little longer. A Recluse kit will fix the gearing they told me.........

Anyone else wanna bitch about belt drive and dream of a shifter play car?

the recluse does nothing to the gearing... i have had them in my dirtbike, so i know how it works and the maitinance it requiers . all it does is first you need to remove a couple clutch plates to make room for it to fit...

this removes surface area for the clutch thus not as much grab. the recluse just allows the clutch to slip at idle /low rpm's, so you dont stall. it sort of work's like the old honda atc clutch .

it also has no gear reduction in it so their is no way it fixes too high a gear. the recluse has a bunch of balls in it and plates that need to be adjusted to keep it working good... so to me removing clutch area will make clutch life less than stock. alba and weller racing are working with Barnett racing clutches for a better clutch.

a guess to why they are going out is driver error. i see many yxz owners talking about slipping the clutch or not fumilure to a clutch in off road as many never drove/road a dirt bike or quad . most of the people that have or had a converted sxs to a streetbike eng saw this would be a problem and many said look out for it

[johnnycat8]

I bought a brand new 2002 Yamaha YZ426 Motocross bike back in the day, took it on the first race and burnt the clutch and plates up in the first moto, of a 4 moto weekend, needless to say I was pissed at the time, Yamaha wouldn't cover moto bike, I sold it and went back to two stroke. At the time everybody was switching to four strokes. So I guess it's just bad luck sometimes and someone ends up with the lemon.
I think for this type of machine though this should definitely be covered under warranty with only 350 miles on it, from what I hear it's hydraulic clutch with no adjustment, so had to be misadjusted at the factory.


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hydraulic has no adj as it needs none its a set gap that auto adjust but the yxz has a very short throw so movement is minimal, thats a complaint owners have and also can be partly blamed since its hard to use thus guys ride the pedal and slip it

[Mike621]

hydraulic has no adj as it needs none its a set gap that auto adjust but the yxz has a very short throw so movement is minimal, thats a complaint owners have and also can be partly blamed since its hard to use thus guys ride the pedal and slip it

Yeah very true JC slipping the clutch in corners or up hills will defiantly over heat the clutch and burn it up, I never drove a new YXZ yet, but you should be able to put it in third gear for the most part, and leave it there.
One of the problems with the Recluse clutch that you talked about is why I didn't buy a Yamaha , I had one of the Recluse in a dirt bike also, and I was always adjusting it to get it right.



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[johnnycat8]

nate from alba got his yxz done intime for glamis here is his tease pic almost 160 hp at rear tires and a new clutch,,,,lol

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[CrazyCooter]

I was laughing when the sales guy at the dealer tried to sell me one when I was just looking the the Xds Maverick while I was there. I told him I wasn't interested till it had a low range gear.....that is when he told me the Recluse would fix it! I laughed and told him the only thing the Recluse kit would do is allow the driver to burn the clutch up faster without warning!

Needless to say, he didn't like what I told him.

[johnnycat8]

I was laughing when the sales guy at the dealer tried to sell me one when I was just looking the the Xds Maverick while I was there. I told him I wasn't interested till it had a low range gear.....that is when he told me the Recluse would fix it! I laughed and told him the only thing the Recluse kit would do is allow the driver to burn the clutch up faster without warning!

Needless to say, he didn't like what I told him.

its looking like the sales guys think its a gear reduction unit...lol

[Mike621]

I was laughing when the sales guy at the dealer tried to sell me one when I was just looking the the Xds Maverick while I was there. I told him I wasn't interested till it had a low range gear.....that is when he told me the Recluse would fix it! I laughed and told him the only thing the Recluse kit would do is allow the driver to burn the clutch up faster without warning!

Needless to say, he didn't like what I told him.

Wow that's funny. [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]


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[johnnycat8]

heres a new twist too add

http://www.americanv4.com/

[CrazyCooter]

heres a new twist too add

http://www.americanv4.com/

That is sweet! Love the flat torque curve.......

might be hard to squeeze into a CanAm though......

[Ripshift]

this is from the yamaha forum..yxz talk . com.... guy had his clutch go out.

"I ride flat deset riding-- just heard from my dealer-- clutch amd clutch plate are toast-- how-- nobody knows-- and to make matters even better Yamaha wont cover it-- and all parts are on backorder--
Im on the phone with Yamaha rep right now letting him know my displeasure- Not only am I out a machine for my family trip to Glamis, now Im out money after 346 miles..Im listing it and going back to a belt drive-- so fucking pist."


I haven't had a problem with mine yet . I hope this is a isolated problem !


and another.

"I picked up my yxz on the 20th. The clutch burned on Friday the 23rd. 100 miles, 7.5 hrs. My dealer never mentioned parts on back order or not being covered under warranty. Now I'm worried."

even nate from alba has a burnt clutch,,

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I haven't had a problem with mine yet . I hope this is a isolated problem !

[EPL]

I was at the dealer today and they were installing a turbo on a YXZ .


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[Mike621]

That's cool, wonder if they upgrade to the Barnett clutch, I hear it's a good upgrade.


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[EPL]

That's cool, wonder if they upgrade to the Barnett clutch, I hear it's a good upgrade.


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They didn't say anything about any upgrade except they installed a rekluse clutch .

[Mike621]

Hopefully will get one of these new YXZ out on a ride with us, that would be cool. [emoji6]


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[milosusa]

That is probably MPI kit, I heard Yamaha will not void warranty, if is installed by the dealer. :cool:
milos

[johnnycat8]

That is probably MPI kit, I heard Yamaha will not void warranty, if is installed by the dealer. :cool:
milos

yamaha has not gotten epa cert yet on turbo and a few guys have contacted yamaha corp and the turbo is not covered under factory warranty as of now..(they cant back something that removes the smog crap) now if your dealer does it , its on them....(trick way of bypassing epa) their sleds with turbo are epa certified so it will happen soon

[johnnycat8]

They didn't say anything about any upgrade except they installed a rekluse clutch .

cant use barnnet clutch with the recluse, i would of went with the barrnet

[johnnycat8]

in this pic ed took on the valve cover their is 3 square caps you can see one just to the right of the center cyl it has a hose on it going to a valve this is yamahas version of a pulse air pump for smog, the mpi kit leaves all this stuff on wile others block them off thats why this kit will pass the epa certs they are close still messing with fuel tablesit also leaves the cat on too. nice looking kit.

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[milosusa]

yamaha has not gotten epa cert yet on turbo and a few guys have contacted yamaha corp and the turbo is not covered under factory warranty as of now..(they cant back something that removes the smog crap) now if your dealer does it , its on them....(trick way of bypassing epa) their sleds with turbo are epa certified so it will happen soon

Yeah , turbo is not covered by factory warranty , but Yamaha will not void the engine warranty, like for example Polaris will do, if you install turbo on them. At least that is what I heard ......
milos

[johnnycat8]

friends turbo yxz..... opps 8 psi and tossed a rod.

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[DLFoust]

I was at the dealer today and they were installing a turbo on a YXZ .


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what turbo kit is it ?

[EPL]

what turbo kit is it ?

I'm going by there today , I'll ask .

[johnnycat8]

yamaha is working with MPI (moutain performance inc) they do the sleds for them too

[EPL]

what turbo kit is it ?

I was the MPI kit !!

[milosusa]

Looks like the MPI works pretty good !!!:cool:
milos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=xLKLFX5vDCU&app=desktop

[johnnycat8]

they have it done now $2700



Tubeworks is proud to offer new gear ratios and gear installation for the #Yamaha #yxz1000r divorced transmissions. Along with performing substantial lubrication modifications for the wet clutching system while the trans is apart. We are able to achieve an approximately 30% ratio reduction across the board, along with an almost 70% reduction in first gear, for that desperately needed launch /crawling range set. This drastically reduces the loads on the clutch system increasing the life expectancy. The new ratio set places 2nd gear very near to the original 1st gear ratio. 5th gear calcs out @ 10k RPM to near 70 mph speed with stock tire instead of almost 90mph, near 80 mph with 31" tire. This instantly puts 30% more torque to the tire in all ratios.
We are taking preorders now for the new gear sets we will be making for scheduled transmission installs at begining of year

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[Sandiam]

sounds interesting !

[Mike621]

Looks like the MPI works pretty good !!!:cool:
milos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=xLKLFX5vDCU&app=desktop

Looks like they are riding in a park. [emoji106]🏽


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[Lennart]

they have it done now $2700



Tubeworks is proud to offer new gear ratios and gear installation for the #Yamaha #yxz1000r divorced transmissions. Along with performing substantial lubrication modifications for the wet clutching system while the trans is apart. We are able to achieve an approximately 30% ratio reduction across the board, along with an almost 70% reduction in first gear, for that desperately needed launch /crawling range set. This drastically reduces the loads on the clutch system increasing the life expectancy. The new ratio set places 2nd gear very near to the original 1st gear ratio. 5th gear calcs out @ 10k RPM to near 70 mph speed with stock tire instead of almost 90mph, near 80 mph with 31" tire. This instantly puts 30% more torque to the tire in all ratios.
We are taking preorders now for the new gear sets we will be making for scheduled transmission installs at begining of year

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This is a good thing but I personally don't like the idea of shifting .

[gridman]

they have it done now $2700



Tubeworks is proud to offer new gear ratios and gear installation for the #Yamaha #yxz1000r divorced transmissions. Along with performing substantial lubrication modifications for the wet clutching system while the trans is apart. We are able to achieve an approximately 30% ratio reduction across the board, along with an almost 70% reduction in first gear, for that desperately needed launch /crawling range set. This drastically reduces the loads on the clutch system increasing the life expectancy. The new ratio set places 2nd gear very near to the original 1st gear ratio. 5th gear calcs out @ 10k RPM to near 70 mph speed with stock tire instead of almost 90mph, near 80 mph with 31" tire. This instantly puts 30% more torque to the tire in all ratios.
We are taking preorders now for the new gear sets we will be making for scheduled transmission installs at begining of year

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Way too expensive, Yah is going to have to do something from the factory to keep these things selling.

[gridman]

Looks like the MPI works pretty good !!!:cool:
milos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=xLKLFX5vDCU&app=desktop

Milos the RPM kit is ripping and as always its a work of art

[LBR]

And a new Polaris COMPLETE transmission is $2600...as Pat said, way too expensive.

[milosusa]

Milos the RPM kit is ripping and as always its a work of art

I agree with that, saw the pictures, but MPI will be probably choice for some due the lower cost. IMO
milos

[milosusa]

And a new Polaris COMPLETE transmission is $2600...as Pat said, way too expensive.

Really depend where you are riding, for desert or sand this upgrade is a waste of money. IMO
But yeah, if you are in slow trail riding, you will probably want this....but again YXZ was not made for it and they are better choices for that.
milos

[johnnycat8]

their is already many turbo kit choices, from $3500 to 8k. but many are removing emission equipment, and their is a rumor that a bill is coming for off road stuff to have a form of smog check's to make sure the equipment is still installed

[milosusa]

their is already many turbo kit choices, from $3500 to 8k. but many are removing emission equipment, and their is a rumor that a bill is coming for off road stuff to have a form of smog check's to make sure the equipment is still installed

I think will be not so fast, California is a broke. LOL
milos

[Mike621]

their is already many turbo kit choices, from $3500 to 8k. but many are removing emission equipment, and their is a rumor that a bill is coming for off road stuff to have a form of smog check's to make sure the equipment is still installed

I don't see this anytime soon, they don't even smog street bikes yet, BUT you never know in this state.


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[johnnycat8]

I don't see this anytime soon, they don't even smog street bikes yet, BUT you never know in this state.


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and this is what all the diesel truck owners said too...(me included) and look now they get smoged.. talk was going on for 4 years on the diesel smog before it became implemented. so i see it happening to sxs's too

[Beach Leo]

prolly just street legal shit will have to be smoged, doged, loged down

Can,t see-em making me smog lawnmower, chainsaw,leaf-blower Turbo or the likes

[johnnycat8]

prolly just street legal shit will have to be smoged, doged, loged down

Can,t see-em making me smog lawnmower, chainsaw,leaf-blower Turbo or the likes

thats whats in the works... more a inspection to see no tampering..(on off road stuff)...but emmision stuff is now on all the rest...thank you carb.

[crazywatson]

Way too expensive, Yah is going to have to do something from the factory to keep these things selling.
Actually that for the full build. Here is the price list.

We have three price point we are trying to hit, based on the following options: 30% ratio reduction on 1st through 5th, labor to perform primary case modification, and provisions for external cooler, and internal priority oiling to clutch @ $1500.00 target.
Option 2: same as above but with additional case mod and the 70% reduction 1st gear set. @ $2200.00.
Option 3, same as option 2 with lines and cooler, $2400.00. Further options will be availble but will be based around clutch package, example: Rekluse, different pressure plates, different clutches kevlar or carbon based. More on that in a few weeks.

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[gridman]

their is already many turbo kit choices, from $3500 to 8k. but many are removing emission equipment, and their is a rumor that a bill is coming for off road stuff to have a form of smog check's to make sure the equipment is still installed

Holly sht 8 g for a kit you have got to be kidding, that must be with motor upgrades also I would think

[AlfaBaz]

Holly sht 8 g for a kit you have got to be kidding, that must be with motor upgrades also I would think

And I doubt that any of them would be as fast as, say a 400 hp, turbo Hayabusa in a Rhino!

[milosusa]

And I doubt that any of them would be as fast as, say a 400 hp, turbo Hayabusa in a Rhino!

I will be not so sure...LOL
milos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jjp5Fv46Z0

[Sandfreak]

Be interesting to see if Yamaha responds with a better all around gear ratio next year and hopefully not in a dumbed down trail model.

[EPL]

X2..

[Sandiam]

Be interesting to see if Yamaha responds with a better all around gear ratio next year and hopefully not in a dumbed down trail model.

If would be great if they just made two models , one for sand and desert and one for the trails and hills .

[Ripshift]

I think a little lowers gears would be good even for the sand .

[johnnycat8]

Holly sht 8 g for a kit you have got to be kidding, that must be with motor upgrades also I would think

yep pat all on what options you want and the brand but some have cam,ecu, head work, big bore, head studs, and so on so many options and all come with a price

[Sandfreak]

I think a little lowers gears would be good even for the sand .

Agreed.

[gridman]

SDR just posed some pics of there new build freekin sick JC post up the pics

[gridman]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/26/08f249b34c3e6116d4a35df25fb85395.jpg


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[milosusa]

Oh man, that is beauty !!! Now I really want YXZ ...LOL
milos

[gridman]

that pic is going to change a lot of peps ideas about it being fugly for sure

[milosusa]

that pic is going to change a lot of peps ideas about it being fugly for sure

Agree 100 %
milos

[gridman]

Moto just told me the fiberglass is only 5 g lmao

[milosusa]

Moto just told me the fiberglass is only 5 g lmao

Just 5 g ??? Somehow cheap for SxS market...LOL
milos

[The Rattler (BLR)]

Nice looking...

[johnnycat8]

hers one of the guys at glamis...


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[Lennart]

hers one of the guys at glamis...


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They all can be broke .

[johnnycat8]

yxz with k&t turbo vs 4 seat mav turbo modded.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26DEVvfOKnc

[Mike621]

Looks like one fast 4 seater. Wonder what mods he's done.


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[LBR]

Looks like one fast 4 seater. Wonder what mods he's done.


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Evo large turbo kit with their tune and Airdam clutching

[Mike621]

Looks impressive, I don't think I need that much, but I'm going to send my ECU out to CT Raceworx for the reflash they do the EVO flash. Fixes a lot of the factory safety issues.


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[LBR]

Looks impressive, I don't think I need that much, but I'm going to send my ECU out to CT Raceworx for the reflash they do the EVO flash. Fixes a lot of the factory safety issues.


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Yeah, I saw your post that you couldn't order it off of their site....wonder why?

[Mike621]

Yeah, I saw your post that you couldn't order it off of their site....wonder why?

Yeah have too call them today, maybe cause theirs so may deferent ones to choose from. I'm only going to go with stage 1


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[LBR]

Yeah have too call them today, maybe cause theirs so may deferent ones to choose from. I'm only going to go with stage 1


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Same flash BLR has along with EVO up-pipe....huge difference, not just power, but all other parameters are worth the bucks.

[Maverick4me]

Not the best video, but I raced a Yamaha at the UTV Takeover slalom night race. I am in the far (right) lane.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGi3Zh3AbiI

[johnnycat8]

post on fb...



‎John Keil‎ to Yamaha YXZ Addicts
7 hrs ·
SO I raced a mpi 155 turbo kit against a 2015 maverick turbo with an EVO reflashed computer(no other modifications). Did about 10 pulls switching drivers and in both 2wd and 4wd on both dirt and asphalt. very consistant results with the yxz pulling away in 1st and 2nd then the maverick passing it around the 40mph mark and pulling ahead about 4 car legnths in 1000ft. video to follow.

[Turbo S Rick]

What ever happen to the video ?

[Sandfreak]

What ever happen to the video ?
????

[Mike621]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/26/08f249b34c3e6116d4a35df25fb85395.jpg


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This is a cool looking car. [emoji106]


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[Turbo S Rick]

That looks bad ass .

[The Rattler (BLR)]

LBR may chime in also, we were down at Florence Yamaha talking to Ed about the Geocaching event Which ended up talking about the YXZ... Ed has driven just about every SXS out there and he said for the Dunes and Open desert this machine is the bomb...But you have to drive it like you STOLE it... He told LBR to take it out to the dunes and drive it... Hopefully in the near future he will have a chance to do that.. Ed said he watched to many videos that had negatives and didn't want to even drive it... but a friend of his came down and said Hey I want to drive that XYZ.. so Ed, Mark & Tony headed out to the dunes...Mark drove the XYZ, Ed had his RZR 1000 And Tony had his 900... Mark was leading and is agressive driver, (well they all are) one all said and done.. Ed jumped in the XYZ and didn't get the smile off his face.. But you have to Drive it like you Stole it

[Mike621]

LBR may chime in also, we were down at Florence Yamaha talking to Ed about the Geocaching event Which ended up talking about the YXZ... Ed has driven just about every SXS out there and he said for the Dunes and Open desert this machine is the bomb...But you have to drive it like you STOLE it... He told LBR to take it out to the dunes and drive it... Hopefully in the near future he will have a chance to do that.. Ed said he watched to many videos that had negatives and didn't want to even drive it... but a friend of his came down and said Hey I want to drive that XYZ.. so Ed, Mark & Tony headed out to the dunes...Mark drove the XYZ, Ed had his RZR 1000 And Tony had his 900... Mark was leading and is agressive driver, (well they all are) one all said and done.. Ed jumped in the XYZ and didn't get the smile off his face.. But you have to Drive it like you Stole it

I think it's a cool machine , if I could have two I would build a YXZ for open desert , it could be just like having a SXS Raptor style quad , I would think you could even take the 4x4 system out, and just have a lite weight 2WD.


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[EPL]

LBR may chime in also, we were down at Florence Yamaha talking to Ed about the Geocaching event Which ended up talking about the YXZ... Ed has driven just about every SXS out there and he said for the Dunes and Open desert this machine is the bomb...But you have to drive it like you STOLE it... He told LBR to take it out to the dunes and drive it... Hopefully in the near future he will have a chance to do that.. Ed said he watched to many videos that had negatives and didn't want to even drive it... but a friend of his came down and said Hey I want to drive that XYZ.. so Ed, Mark & Tony headed out to the dunes...Mark drove the XYZ, Ed had his RZR 1000 And Tony had his 900... Mark was leading and is agressive driver, (well they all are) one all said and done.. Ed jumped in the XYZ and didn't get the smile off his face.. But you have to Drive it like you Stole it


I'm it could be fun as a extra toy just not your main SXS !! But I already have to many toy's to get one of them !!

[The Rattler (BLR)]

I'm it could be fun as a extra toy just not your main SXS !! But I already have to many toy's to get one of them !!
What's "Just another Fing Toy" lol

[EPL]

What's "Just another Fing Toy" lol

Something I DON'T need !!!

[gridman]

What's "Just another Fing Toy" lol

Buy him the damn thing LOL

[The Rattler (BLR)]

Buy him the damn thing LOL
Oh hell. NO... he's a keep man but not that much...lol

[crazywatson]

Should I post his Rhino on Craigslist for him?

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[LBR]

Should I post his Rhino on Craigslist for him?

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Don't do that....for the 25K it's worth, everyone would buy a new Turbo somethingorother instead.

[crazywatson]

Lol a TURBO! So you can beat your kidneys to death faster?

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[LBR]

Lol a TURBO! So you can beat your kidneys to death faster?

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I was working on beating my kidneys to death back when you were still chittin' yellow, son.....only it was Budweiser then instead of Coors...lol

[EPL]

I was working on beating my kidneys to death back when you were still chittin' yellow, son.....only it was Budweiser then instead of Coors...lol

You have to remember Steve , Lance is older then dirt !! LOL

[crazywatson]

Lol are you ready for another Simtra Lance?

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[LBR]

Lol are you ready for another Simtra Lance?

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Are you propositioning me AGAIN??

[The Rattler (BLR)]

I thought we were talking about Yamahas. ..lol

[crazywatson]

This thread is dead might as well talk about beer now :-)

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[The Rattler (BLR)]

Ok I started a thread...BEER

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That's bad azz👍

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