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We are having a High Lakes ride on August 8th .
Mike621
07-12-2015, 03:22 PM
I've only been to the High lakes area out of Chico a couple times, I would like to see this ride on the calendar at some point, I think that's there some campgrounds up there too.
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Airbus899
07-12-2015, 04:01 PM
I agree with Mike621. High lakes are sweet! I can also take the group on a Cohasset run that's pretty amazing too!http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/12/cfe0beb01afefbf5624c7b878770a6aa.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/12/d739373197e9a793e5e906232bf9467d.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/12/23971e9e5c7a46d79beafc6909e63d8d.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/12/f1139e9e6d1a14c72dc0670c100a3f9b.jpg
Ready to ride!
There will be a ride this weekend !! Not sure if it will be a 1 or 2 day ride or where it will be yet , I'm working on that. I will post more information within the next day or two !!!
Beach Leo
07-14-2015, 11:03 PM
By the way things look as of now for my-self
I will not have my RZR repaired till the middle of August if I am Lucky
Am to Tight to take it in and have others do what I enjoy doing
Have way to much work at this time to do any-thing for the next month or so
Beer Mod
07-14-2015, 11:45 PM
I've only been to the High lakes area out of Chico a couple times, I would like to see this ride on the calendar at some point, I think that's there some campgrounds up there too.
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I'm working on a high lakes run as we speak.
Mike621
07-15-2015, 01:24 AM
I'm working on a high lakes run as we speak.
[emoji106]🏽 cool, looking forward to it. [emoji3]
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Pipelayer
07-15-2015, 06:56 PM
By the way things look as of now for my-self
I will not have my RZR repaired till the middle of August if I am Lucky
Am to Tight to take it in and have others do what I enjoy doing
Have way to much work at this time to do any-thing for the next month or so
It's time to go buy a new one Leo. Fix that one up for your grandson.
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Mike621
07-21-2015, 01:53 PM
Sign me up [emoji106]
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AlfaBaz
07-21-2015, 02:02 PM
We had planned to be in Wendover, UT (Bonneville Speed Week) but they just cancelled the event because of salt conditions. Who can tell us what/where the "high lakes" area is?
We had planned to be in Wendover, UT (Bonneville Speed Week) but they just cancelled the event because of salt conditions. Who can tell us what/where the "high lakes" area is?
The high lakes area is above Chico .
Tony (CrazyCooter) will be leading this ride .
CrazyCooter
07-21-2015, 07:47 PM
Here is a little taste of what is in the area:http://www.friendsofthehighlakes.com/lakes.shtml
There is some hardcore rocky stuff in this trail system as shown in the pics, but I think our goal will be to run trails with some challenge but minimal chance for damage. Last few times I was here it was in a Jeep and rode once on a motorcycle.
Beer Mod
07-21-2015, 08:40 PM
Have fun you guys! I'll make the next one
Mike621
07-21-2015, 09:00 PM
I've heard there are some pretty rocky trails up there, I've been up there a few times on Quads, all the trails we were on we're a mix of fast, and rocky, kind of like Castle Crags. Should be a fun ride [emoji106]
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lainracing
07-21-2015, 09:53 PM
I mite try this ride but most likely be on a Canam Renegade 500 sport utility quad .with this ride be quad friendly?
CrazyCooter
07-21-2015, 10:39 PM
I don't see any reason why a quad wouldn't be doable. I remember a couple of spots that might make short wheelbase challenging but nothing impossible for an experienced rider like you.
Terrain is much like the Tamarak area but with more water and vegetation.
Pipelayer
07-21-2015, 10:49 PM
Put me on the list Ed. Where is everyone meeting and what time?
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lainracing
07-22-2015, 07:54 AM
Put ME On The List ed
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Put me on the list Ed. Where is everyone meeting and what time?
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You are on the list . Time is going to be 8:30 AM . Place is still up in the air , will post within a couple of days.
Pipelayer
07-22-2015, 10:07 AM
Cool thx Ed
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drtfun
07-22-2015, 12:15 PM
Ed add me to the list, thanks
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Fast Pat
07-22-2015, 06:40 PM
Looking forward to seeing some more new riding area !
Pipelayer
07-22-2015, 08:11 PM
Who is leading the ride?
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Who is leading the ride?
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Tony ( Crazycooter ) on the forum.
Pipelayer
07-22-2015, 08:21 PM
Great, should be a good ride.
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Are you going to make it AlfaBaz ???
AlfaBaz
07-23-2015, 09:22 PM
Are you going to make it AlfaBaz ???
Thanks, Ed! Maybe.
Can anyone recommend a campground close to wherever we end up staging?
Thanks, Ed! Maybe.
Can anyone recommend a campground close to wherever we end up staging?
In a few days we should know where were going to stage and will look for a campground also .
Mike621
07-24-2015, 01:08 AM
I also may want to camp, I remember a few campgrounds in the area , but don't know really where we're going yet.
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I also may want to camp, I remember a few campgrounds in the area , but don't know really where we're going yet.
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Mike we haven't picked a spot to meet yet , do you know of one that is a good place to star twith plenty of parking and good trail access ?
Mike621
07-24-2015, 03:30 PM
I can look into it Ed, I think Frank lead the ride both times I've been, so maybe he will know of some place too.
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orangecrush
07-24-2015, 11:30 PM
Sign me up also
Mike621
07-24-2015, 11:39 PM
If we're going up the Skyway in Chico we can meet at Home Depot right off Hwy 99, would still like to know if we're staging by somewhere where we could camp.
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I know there are some of you that are going to make a weekend of this ride and camp . We will have a firm staging area post sometime today so you can get your camp sites booked.
Pipelayer
07-27-2015, 02:44 PM
If there are some people going up for the day that knows the way, maybe I can meet with them down in Chico and follow them up. I haven't been there before.
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OK , the staging area had been picked and it is going to be at the intersection of Skyway and Jones Meadow in Inskip , CA . The meeting time is going to be around 8:30 Am . We would like to start the ride (be leaving ) at 9:00 AM . The best way to get here is take the Skyway exit off HWY 99 in Chico and go east towards Paradise till you get to Inskip (approx 30 miles) . When you get to Inskip the first street past the Hotel is Jones Meadow , turn right and look for some place to park . On google earth looks like there should be plenty of turn outs on the side of the road for us all to park.
AlfaBaz
07-28-2015, 06:55 PM
Thanks, Ed!!
Still trying to decide whether we will camp or just make it a day ride.
1. Do we plan to meet there, and drive further before we unload, or will we ride right from Inskip?
2. Any local knowledge about best campgrounds nearby?
Thanks, Ed!!
Still trying to decide whether we will camp or just make it a day ride.
1. Do we plan to meet there, and drive further before we unload, or will we ride right from Inskip?
2. Any local knowledge about best campgrounds nearby?
The plan is to unload there. Mike621 may chime in about campgrounds .
CrazyCooter
07-28-2015, 07:41 PM
The intersection is Browns Ravine and Skyway: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39.9914314,-121.5413391//@39.9902313,-121.5430128,16z?hl=en This area is private land from what I can gather on the map and is home to the historic Inskip Hotel. We used to just travel up the road a mile or two, unload at a wide spot, and run the Skyway North to the Philbook cutoff, and turn right. If you look at the satellite imagery, you will see the double yellow painted line start right there and this is where the dirt used to start.
Browns Ravine is the only way I see getting around to Philbrook and then to the High Lakes on dirt public forest roads. This is why I think this is the best place to park...... There are some wide spots right on the side of Browns Ravine within 1 mile of the pavement.
The issue here is that the pavement used to end right at this pin and the "Forest Circus" did us a favor and paved it! Nobody in the group seems to know a legal route from a good camping spot at this point unless you want to drive in deep with your trailers and camp at Philbrook Lake where I have seen a few toyhaulers there. Last time I was in there it was partially paved/dirt from the Skyway/Philbrook cutoff as well as dirt from Inskip and I remember thinking no way in hell would I tow in here!
There are many ways in off Hwy 70 as well. Maybe we need to look down there on this ride for better future staging/camping areas although this area lends itself of remote back country camping due to the terrain.
If someone has some knowledge of the area to add, this would be a good time!
The intersection is Browns Ravine and Skyway: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39.9914314,-121.5413391//@39.9902313,-121.5430128,16z?hl=en This area is private land from what I can gather on the map and is home to the historic Inskip Hotel. We used to just travel up the road a mile or two, unload at a wide spot, and run the Skyway North to the Philbook cutoff, and turn right. If you look at the satellite imagery, you will see the double yellow painted line start right there and this is where the dirt used to start.
Browns Ravine is the only way I see getting around to Philbrook and then to the High Lakes on dirt public forest roads. This is why I think this is the best place to park...... There are some wide spots right on the side of Browns Ravine within 1 mile of the pavement.
The issue here is that the pavement used to end right at this pin and the "Forest Circus" did us a favor and paved it! Nobody in the group seems to know a legal route from a good camping spot at this point unless you want to drive in deep with your trailers and camp at Philbrook Lake where I have seen a few toyhaulers there. Last time I was in there it was partially paved/dirt from the Skyway/Philbrook cutoff as well as dirt from Inskip and I remember thinking no way in hell would I tow in here!
There are many ways in off Hwy 70 as well. Maybe we need to look down there on this ride for better future staging/camping areas although this area lends itself of remote back country camping due to the terrain.
If someone has some knowledge of the area to add, this would be a good time!
On Yahoo Maps it shows the road as Jones Meadow at Skyway and changes to Browns Ravine when you cross the river so I guess depending on what map you use the intersections name can change .
The intersection is Browns Ravine and Skyway: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39.9914314,-121.5413391//@39.9902313,-121.5430128,16z?hl=en This area is private land from what I can gather on the map and is home to the historic Inskip Hotel. We used to just travel up the road a mile or two, unload at a wide spot, and run the Skyway North to the Philbook cutoff, and turn right. If you look at the satellite imagery, you will see the double yellow painted line start right there and this is where the dirt used to start.
Browns Ravine is the only way I see getting around to Philbrook and then to the High Lakes on dirt public forest roads. This is why I think this is the best place to park...... There are some wide spots right on the side of Browns Ravine within 1 mile of the pavement.
The issue here is that the pavement used to end right at this pin and the "Forest Circus" did us a favor and paved it! Nobody in the group seems to know a legal route from a good camping spot at this point unless you want to drive in deep with your trailers and camp at Philbrook Lake where I have seen a few toyhaulers there. Last time I was in there it was partially paved/dirt from the Skyway/Philbrook cutoff as well as dirt from Inskip and I remember thinking no way in hell would I tow in here!
There are many ways in off Hwy 70 as well. Maybe we need to look down there on this ride for better future staging/camping areas although this area lends itself of remote back country camping due to the terrain.
If someone has some knowledge of the area to add, this would be a good time!
On Yahoo Maps it shows the road as Jones Meadow at Skyway and changes to Browns Ravine when you cross the river so I guess depending on what map you use the intersections name can change .
CrazyCooter
07-28-2015, 08:02 PM
OK cool!
Pipelayer
07-28-2015, 09:08 PM
So Eds original directions are good?
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CrazyCooter
07-28-2015, 10:19 PM
Yep the directions are good!
Mike621
07-29-2015, 12:54 AM
I'm going to make it a day trip, but Philbrook was the only campground that looked doable.
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lainracing
07-29-2015, 01:55 PM
You going solo mike
Mike621
07-29-2015, 02:04 PM
You going solo mike
I think so
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AlfaBaz
07-29-2015, 02:08 PM
I'm going to make it a day trip, but Philbrook was the only campground that looked doable.
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I was looking at Philbrook as well. If Patti comes with me, she likes camping near a lake (for the dog). The problem is that I just don't know what the road is like. I may go explore one day next week in my little car to see if getting the trailer in there is reasonable.
I was looking at Philbrook as well. If Patti comes with me, she likes camping near a lake (for the dog). The problem is that I just don't know what the road is like. I may go explore one day next week in my little car to see if getting the trailer in there is reasonable.
I'm going by there this Saturday i'll let you know what its like.
lainracing
07-29-2015, 02:24 PM
Want a passenger
Mike621
07-29-2015, 02:48 PM
Want a passenger
Sure that works for me Bob.
It been a few years , but the roads in to Philbrook looked ok back then, big smooth fire roads, campground was nice and shade , with travel trailers there.
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lainracing
07-29-2015, 02:49 PM
Ok sounds good I'll talk to you before then
Mike621
07-29-2015, 03:16 PM
Ok sounds good I'll talk to you before then
Yeah Sunday[emoji13][emoji12]
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lainracing
07-29-2015, 03:25 PM
What time do you go to work during the week we're going to be at the drag races at Infineon Raceway all day sunday and going to be staying the night in Vacaville and going to be driving into Sacramento on Monday we thought we'd stop by and say hi before you went to work
Mike621
07-29-2015, 08:51 PM
What time do you go to work during the week we're going to be at the drag races at Infineon Raceway all day sunday and going to be staying the night in Vacaville and going to be driving into Sacramento on Monday we thought we'd stop by and say hi before you went to work
I leave around 2:00
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lainracing
07-29-2015, 08:52 PM
I'm sure that will be coming by the house before 2 o'clock I'll I'll give you a holler and let you know for sure what we're going to do
I'm going to check out the staging area and campground near there tomorrow .
Staging place for August High Lakes ride change.
I don't like changing things but I drove out and checked everything out today and the area that Tony & I picked will not work , no place to park everyone. So I dove all around and found that the Snowmobile park that Frank had mentioned appx 6 miles up the road from Bambi Inn will work great. The best part is that it's easier to get to. To get there from HWY 99 in Chico you go East on HWY 32 to Humboldt Rd and continue up Humboldt Rd towards Jonesville and you will see the snowmobile park on the left . We are panning on meeting the at 8:30 AM so we can get the ride on it's way by 9:00 AM .
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AlfaBaz
08-01-2015, 07:32 PM
Staging place for August High Lakes ride change.
I don't like changing things but I drove out and checked everything out today and the area that Tony & I picked will not work , no place to park everyone. So I dove all around and found that the Snowmobile park that Frank had mentioned appx 6 miles up the road from Bambi Inn will work great. The best part is that it's easier to get to. To get there from HWY 99 in Chico you go East on HWY 32 to Humboldt Rd and continue up Humboldt Rd towards Jonesville and you will see the snowmobile park on the left . We are panning on meeting the at 8:30 AM so we can get the ride on it's way by 9:00 AM .
OK...... According to map quest, it is only 5.6 miles from the Bambi Inn to Jonesville. So is the Snowmobile park east or west of Jonesville? Did you happen to notice Cherry Hill Campground? It should also be right there. Still haven't decided whether we will go up Friday and camp or just make it a day trip Saturday, but I will be there.
OK...... According to map quest, it is only 5.6 miles from the Bambi Inn to Jonesville. So is the Snowmobile park east or west of Jonesville? Did you happen to notice Cherry Hill Campground? It should also be right there. Still haven't decided whether we will go up Friday and camp or just make it a day trip Saturday, but I will be there.
It is Jonesville snowmobile park ! I drove by Cherry Hill but didn't pay attention to it. There is a big dirt area across the street from Bambi Inn that there was a few trailers parked there . I asked they guy in Bambi Inn about it but I think he used everything up getting out of bed !!
Mike621
08-01-2015, 09:23 PM
There is a big dirt area across the street from Bambi Inn that there was a few trailers parked there . I asked they guy in Bambi Inn about it but I think he used everything up getting out of bed !![/QUOTE]
LMAO [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]
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I have never been out in this area before but after driving out there in our car and seeing the area I'm more excited to go out there in the SXS next weekend .
Fast Pat
08-04-2015, 07:51 AM
After driving around this area in the car this weekend I can't wait to get out there in the SXS .
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AlfaBaz
08-04-2015, 09:47 AM
Patti and I took a ride up to check out the campgrounds yesterday. The closest one, Cherry Hill, is really meant for tent campers. Nice setting along the creek, but only a few sites that would work for RVs. We actually talked to one of the locals about just parking our trailer in the Jonesville snowmobile area parking lot. He said he couldn't imagine anyone would give us a hard time for that.
Just wondering though, will we be riding right from the snowmobile staging area? I only saw paved road and private property signs all around there.
We also chatted with the proprietors of "The Outpost" (local restaurant), who encouraged us to come back for their "all you can eat BBQ dinner" on the weekend.
See you all Saturday!
Beer Mod
08-04-2015, 09:50 AM
The intersection is Browns Ravine and Skyway: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39.9914314,-121.5413391//@39.9902313,-121.5430128,16z?hl=en This area is private land from what I can gather on the map and is home to the historic Inskip Hotel. We used to just travel up the road a mile or two, unload at a wide spot, and run the Skyway North to the Philbook cutoff, and turn right. If you look at the satellite imagery, you will see the double yellow painted line start right there and this is where the dirt used to start.
Browns Ravine is the only way I see getting around to Philbrook and then to the High Lakes on dirt public forest roads. This is why I think this is the best place to park...... There are some wide spots right on the side of Browns Ravine within 1 mile of the pavement.
The issue here is that the pavement used to end right at this pin and the "Forest Circus" did us a favor and paved it! Nobody in the group seems to know a legal route from a good camping spot at this point unless you want to drive in deep with your trailers and camp at Philbrook Lake where I have seen a few toyhaulers there. Last time I was in there it was partially paved/dirt from the Skyway/Philbrook cutoff as well as dirt from Inskip and I remember thinking no way in hell would I tow in here!
There are many ways in off Hwy 70 as well. Maybe we need to look down there on this ride for better future staging/camping areas although this area lends itself of remote back country camping due to the terrain.
If someone has some knowledge of the area to add, this would be a good time!
I do but I don't want to add more confusion to the trip. The next run we do as a group I'll show you guys around.
Patti and I took a ride up to check out the campgrounds yesterday. The closest one, Cherry Hill, is really meant for tent campers. Nice setting along the creek, but only a few sites that would work for RVs. We actually talked to one of the locals about just parking our trailer in the Jonesville snowmobile area parking lot. He said he couldn't imagine anyone would give us a hard time for that.
Just wondering though, will we be riding right from the snowmobile staging area? I only saw paved road and private property signs all around there.
We also chatted with the proprietors of "The Outpost" (local restaurant), who encouraged us to come back for their "all you can eat BBQ dinner" on the weekend.
See you all Saturday!
Yes Barry we are riding from the snow mobile park . It is 1 1/2 miles to the dirt trail .
AlfaBaz
08-04-2015, 11:05 AM
Yes Barry we are riding from the snow mobile park . It is 1 1/2 miles to the dirt trail .
Thanks, Ed. That's what I figured.
And by the way, we saw a SxS cruising the paved road through Butte Meadows while we were eating lunch!
Thanks, Ed. That's what I figured.
And by the way, we saw a SxS cruising the paved road through Butte Meadows while we were eating lunch!
When I was there they were driving all over
Mike621
08-05-2015, 12:58 PM
Well Bob Lain came over the other day, and we were in the garage, he noticed my driver side wheel looked bent in.
Checked it out today and the main frame is bent in from the bottom, and the upper a-arm bracket on the frame is bent in[emoji51]
Called the insurance company and talk to the guy, he's coming to look at it tomorrow , told me it sounds like total loss, cause they don't fix frames.
If Bob and I make this ride, looks like we'll be on the quads.
Last ride at Castle Craig I hit that stump in the trail pretty hard, it threw me sideways , that must of did it.
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Well Bob Lain came over the other day, and we were in the garage, he noticed my driver side wheel looked bent in.
Checked it out today and the main frame is bent in from the bottom, and the upper a-arm bracket on the frame is bent in[emoji51]
Called the insurance company and talk to the guy, he's coming to look at it tomorrow , told me it sounds like total loss, cause they don't fix frames.
If Bob and I make this ride, looks like we'll be on the quads.
Last ride at Castle Craig I hit that stump in the trail pretty hard, it threw me sideways , that must of did it.
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Maybe a new turbo in your future?
Mike621
08-05-2015, 01:27 PM
Maybe a new turbo in your future?
Well guess I'll have to wait and see what happens , I hear there are good deals on 15' XP1K
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Well Bob Lain came over the other day, and we were in the garage, he noticed my driver side wheel looked bent in.
Checked it out today and the main frame is bent in from the bottom, and the upper a-arm bracket on the frame is bent in[emoji51]
Called the insurance company and talk to the guy, he's coming to look at it tomorrow , told me it sounds like total loss, cause they don't fix frames.
If Bob and I make this ride, looks like we'll be on the quads.
Last ride at Castle Craig I hit that stump in the trail pretty hard, it threw me sideways , that must of did it.
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Bob started out going on a quad . Just drive the bent up RZR for one last ride .
Mike621
08-05-2015, 08:45 PM
Bob started out going on a quad . Just drive the bent up RZR for one last ride .
The claims guy is coming out tomorrow , I'll see what he says.
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Beach Leo
08-05-2015, 10:42 PM
Hey You guys have a good time this week-end and be safe
Kinda jelly I could not make this one
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Pipelayer
08-07-2015, 09:20 PM
Staging place for August High Lakes ride change.
I don't like changing things but I drove out and checked everything out today and the area that Tony & I picked will not work , no place to park everyone. So I dove all around and found that the Snowmobile park that Frank had mentioned appx 6 miles up the road from Bambi Inn will work great. The best part is that it's easier to get to. To get there from HWY 99 in Chico you go East on HWY 32 to Humboldt Rd and continue up Humboldt Rd towards Jonesville and you will see the snowmobile park on the left . We are panning on meeting the at 8:30 AM so we can get the ride on it's way by 9:00 AM .
Ed, how far is it from hwy 32. Do you go past Bambi inn or is it before that
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Ed, how far is it from hwy 32. Do you go past Bambi inn or is it before that
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The snowmobile park is about 6 miles past Bambi inn on the left in Jonesville .
AlfaBaz
08-07-2015, 10:01 PM
Ed, how far is it from hwy 32. Do you go past Bambi inn or is it before that
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From 99 in Chico:
Take the CA-32 exit, EXIT 385, toward Orland/Chester. Go 27.6 mi
Turn right onto Humboldt Rd. Go 10.9 mi to Snowmobile Park on left
Pipelayer
08-07-2015, 10:13 PM
Thx guys, I found it on map quest but it didn't show the snow mobile park. See you all in the morning.
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AlfaBaz
08-07-2015, 10:26 PM
Thx guys, I found it on map quest but it didn't show the snow mobile park. See you all in the morning.
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Jonesville is NOT a sprawling metropolis, and the snowmobile park is "in" Jonesville.
On my way , i'll see everyone there !!
Fast Pat
08-09-2015, 08:22 AM
We had a great ride with great people .Looks like there is still a lot to see out there .
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