Moto's factory turbo trans mod

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Mikey dropped off is Factory turbo car to get the trans mod done, it's a lot more work involved to get the tranny out of these turbo cars then the non turbo modelshttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160328/9c48a0173f4c2c244306e29bc85038d8.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160328/7377e301fc188417bd938cd2f933d96f.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160328/e076bbcac76f9733d04382356d7b9648.jpg

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[EPL]

How much longer you think it is going to take ?

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How much longer you think it is going to take ?
The bed has to come off which means unbolting the cage and lifting It off.

Then the air to water intake plenum has to be unbolted from the engine and moved aside.

The aluminum backing cover for the clutches comes off and on this model it actually lines up the engine and transmission.

So the whole job is a pain in the ass LOLhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/6ea4466a1505d6bae3e5a8de84f411b1.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/f1538b1f5e6a5fbf230789f246f9b036.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/40aca077875f28049e09c83a3805bfc6.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/06100accfaf83fa1ad854bc530a18330.jpg

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[EPL]

So if you have a aftermarket cage ( like i do ) that makes it even more work !!

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So if you have a aftermarket cage ( like i do ) that makes it even more work !!
YES


IT


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[Controlled Force]

Here's something I found that I particularly don't like I'm going to have to talk with Mike about this and see what he wants to do.

The Evolution Powersports charge tube that he installed is leaking boost along with oil that's getting blown through the turbo from the vent hose off the engine..

And is rubbing up against the valve cover.

In my opinion it's a bad design.

If I designed it it would have had a silicone hose along with a aluminum charge tube in the center with another silicone hose and clamps on the other end with a fitting welded on to the charge to for the map sensor

But that's just me...http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/3a6ac94a34e1c5c3635c3884d035a574.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/288a5c00b1b11ca0ff60a1af151593ed.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/3e89503b571c2ab1a1a5c0200a2ef076.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/923e3324dc026b070f0bb4d1e93b8048.jpg

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There's oil in the charge tube and oil in the plenum as wellhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/f6a22fc1d1b3c441a198acd5800a34e6.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/2419a212ed25786639f25c3732f8a886.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/11f0ef2ececc3160ec789f363eb0c29d.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/a81fe28d3e96d236589be6b5584e9017.jpg

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[EPL]

Here's something I found that I particularly don't like I'm going to have to talk with Mike about this and see what he wants to do.

The Evolution Powersports charge tube that he installed is leaking boost along with oil that's getting blown through the turbo from the vent hose off the engine..

And is rubbing up against the valve cover.

In my opinion it's a bad design.

If I designed it it would have had a silicone hose along with a aluminum charge tube in the center with another silicone hose and clamps on the other end with a fitting welded on to the charge to for the map sensor

But that's just me...http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/3a6ac94a34e1c5c3635c3884d035a574.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/288a5c00b1b11ca0ff60a1af151593ed.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/3e89503b571c2ab1a1a5c0200a2ef076.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/923e3324dc026b070f0bb4d1e93b8048.jpg

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Not all aftermarket so called upgrade are better !!

[LBR]

So your saying that is not an engineered top-end lubrication system?... Haha

We all need to look our machines over top to bottom everyone.....the simplest things can cause catastrophic results sometimes.

[drtfun]

Well that just saved me some $$$ I was going to get that tube

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[Pipelayer]

Ben, are you changing the clutch or going back stock


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Ben, are you changing the clutch or going back stock


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We're running the STM Billet clutches

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[Pipelayer]

We're running the STM Billet clutches

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Cool

[gridman]

I think his check book is loaded and your that far mite as well get into that motor and keep going LOL

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I think his check book is loaded and your that far mite as well get into that motor and keep going LOL
Aww hell yea Pat now you're talking my language...
Big turbo upgrade
Big injectors
E85 conversion
Air to air conversion
Billet rods
Billet CP turbo Pistons
XP 1000 cylinder conversion so it's 999 cc
O-ring cylinder
Head studs
Heavy duty valve springs
Heavy duty valve buckets

Should I go on😂😂😂http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/828a598177731530e2be2d2990e896dd.gif

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[gridman]

Lol

[jmack]

I just installed my evo tube, guess I need to keep an eye on that. what mods are you doing to the tranny?

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I just installed my evo tube, guess I need to keep an eye on that. what mods are you doing to the tranny?
The bearing mods,that the 1ks and 900 XPs have thoes cheap Chinese bearings that explode out the side of the case..

The turbo cars are no different they still use those cheap bearings in the transmissions and there's already been multiple reports of factory Turbo transmission failure.

Transmissions in the factory turbo cars are $2,800, that's why Mike is taking the necessary precautions to avoid that bill, I will post pics in the next day or so regarding the transmission

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[motosx]

ben, is the charge tube the source of the lost boost, and not the waste gate?

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It definitely leaks but I can't say 100% if it's the main source

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After thinking about it a little more, while driving the car last week and hooking up a manual boost gauge it stayed pretty consistent for the most part until that one time it literally drop from 16/17 pounds to 7, I think we have a few things contributing to the Boost falling off

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And she's out...http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/10b14f04536a2a2fd89f241674ccc66f.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/993ba99891fde3b0a4b193bb3762ead0.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/e6f4f9dfe46c382ca0171b96ccce2937.jpg

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Here's something interesting I found, the back of the turbo motor will accept a 14 and 15 transmission plate to bolt a 14 and 15 Transmission in its place not that anybody's going to do it but yes if somebody were it can be donehttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/edaed3628f1baf97df88edee60e1966c.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/8114c3b1995c9ac6a6657c0d63973961.jpg

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Leaking seals are ready, not even a year old..

Oh polairs... Gotta Love paying top dollar for these cars lolhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/004caba2ecc97cfe531466063899d321.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/67d0f8317504a7726e20a1910bbe580a.jpg

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Also looks like they still don't use enough case sealer on the bottom of the Transmissions as well..http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/9ff3ab624ddcfe12ecaef8e77970592a.jpg

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So here's the difference between a 15 and 16 transmission, the 16 is on the lefthttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/165577a0c884bf025c6d5346304241ea.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/a0c09a06c0cec32c511190883bfd289c.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/54d5d33970cbf63dda33f1f35fc50d31.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/c275c30c3e1091770a9c476a9d6e7134.jpg

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[milosusa]

Here's something I found that I particularly don't like I'm going to have to talk with Mike about this and see what he wants to do.

The Evolution Powersports charge tube that he installed is leaking boost along with oil that's getting blown through the turbo from the vent hose off the engine..

And is rubbing up against the valve cover.

In my opinion it's a bad design.

If I designed it it would have had a silicone hose along with a aluminum charge tube in the center with another silicone hose and clamps on the other end with a fitting welded on to the charge to for the map sensor

But that's just me...http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/3a6ac94a34e1c5c3635c3884d035a574.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/288a5c00b1b11ca0ff60a1af151593ed.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/3e89503b571c2ab1a1a5c0200a2ef076.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/923e3324dc026b070f0bb4d1e93b8048.jpg

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I am with you on that, I will never run soft hose long like that. Should be aluminum pipe with just couplers on the end. IMO
Plus I will run hose from engine vent to breather/oil catcher bottle.
milos

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The charge tube is pretty long Milos... it seems under boost that the center section of it would swell up under boost I don't know I'm not an engineer just an observationhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/84afe7ee1c73c3c95af20e984230a75f.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/4eb4f4a6a18bf2028f5922f75e1b6c6e.jpg

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[Beach Leo]

Another interesting Thread Ben Thanks

Any-way with a new machine its amazing how fast the Tranny seals go belly-up

Is that caused from bad bearing, like to much play in-em or what?

Over the years one may think that the quality of polaris would be a-lot better

How-ever one would also think that it was impossible for the quality to get worst over the years

But that is what we are seeing

Well the quality goes down and the price goes way-up

With that all said my Tranny with a shit load of miles, is still way-good, has never leaked like all the new ones do

I believe you will hook Mike up and put it together Right with good parts

[milosusa]

The charge tube is pretty long Milos... it seems under boost that the center section of it would swell up under boost I don't know I'm not an engineer just an observationhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/84afe7ee1c73c3c95af20e984230a75f.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/4eb4f4a6a18bf2028f5922f75e1b6c6e.jpg

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I am pretty sure they will swell under boost and they look ugly too ! LOL
milos

[Airbus899]

Here's something I found that I particularly don't like I'm going to have to talk with Mike about this and see what he wants to do.

The Evolution Powersports charge tube that he installed is leaking boost along with oil that's getting blown through the turbo from the vent hose off the engine..

And is rubbing up against the valve cover.

In my opinion it's a bad design.

If I designed it it would have had a silicone hose along with a aluminum charge tube in the center with another silicone hose and clamps on the other end with a fitting welded on to the charge to for the map sensor

But that's just me...http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/3a6ac94a34e1c5c3635c3884d035a574.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/288a5c00b1b11ca0ff60a1af151593ed.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/3e89503b571c2ab1a1a5c0200a2ef076.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/923e3324dc026b070f0bb4d1e93b8048.jpg

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Ben, does anyone make a better hose?
What other mods do I need to do right away when I get my new turbo in a few weeks?

Also.... I want to order the Best STM clutch Primary & Secondary from you. How long on the order time and $? You can text me at 530-321-4526 if you want.
Thanks!
Ben January



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I don't know of anyone making the tube yet for it other than evolution, after speaking with Mike this morning they gave him the same old song and dance he had one of the first ones that went out and they said basically they had a bad design and they have it fixed now...

As for your new turbo car congratulations on the purchase.

Expected to have issues with the primary clutch I've ended up switching to STM clutches,
Look at having the trans mod done in the future like I'm doing on Mikes car.

And just stay up on the maintenance keep the oil changed regularly, let the car come up to pretty much operating temperature before going out and mashing on it and just use overall common sense they can only take so much abuse



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[Controlled Force]

Also if you're planning on getting one of Evolution Powersports reflash I would strongly recommend a boost gauge and air fuel ratio gauge AEM makes 2 gauges in one it's pretty slick you can find it at Summit Racing

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[Mike621]

Another interesting Thread Ben Thanks

Any-way with a new machine its amazing how fast the Tranny seals go belly-up

Is that caused from bad bearing, like to much play in-em or what?

Over the years one may think that the quality of polaris would be a-lot better

How-ever one would also think that it was impossible for the quality to get worst over the years

But that is what we are seeing

Well the quality goes down and the price goes way-up

With that all said my Tranny with a shit load of miles, is still way-good, has never leaked like all the new ones do

I believe you will hook Mike up and put it together Right with good parts

Good point Leo, but the early 800 models were probably ok cause the HP wasn't so high as all the new machines , I can't believe they still use the same cheap bearing in the new machines , for what we pay for them seems to be an easy fix at the factory, unless Polaris owns this Chinese bearing factory.


Can-Am XDS 1000 Turbo.

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I'll have to disagree with you there Mike...
I have a 800s stretched 10 inches in the rear with a Yamaha Apex turbo 4-cylinder engine pushing stupid horsepower through the stock transmission.

It's been running strong for the last three years with no issues, those Transmissions were built by Spicer,IMO Much Better Built than what team Industries built for the 900 and the 1000 cars..

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[gridman]

I was talking to Garret at Fuel custom today he said he has a ton of the turbo cars that all have clutch problems, said the stock are all junk what a joke

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Leo...
The seals going out are more than likely POOR installation from Team Industries when they're assembling them 😠

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I was talking to Garret at Fuel custom today he said he has a ton of the turbo cars that all have clutch problems, said the stock are all junk what a joke
It's amazing how much these cars cost and this is the quality that they're putting out..

I was seriously considering getting a factory turbo car but after looking at Mike's ...there's just too many things that I would want to change to my liking.

I still think Factory turbo cars are great for a majority of the people just not me

So it's back to looking for a 14 or 15 car and building it my way

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[gridman]

You need a limo bro LOL

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You need a limo bro LOL
I think so too,
I drove a factory 4 seater turbo car and it wasn't much slower than a 2 seater I was impressed. .


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[Beach Leo]

I was talking to Garret at Fuel custom today he said he has a ton of the turbo cars that all have clutch problems, said the stock are all junk what a jokePolaris is going to recall-em Right???

Like they did the Front diff, Rear-ends,Air intake system, Drive-lines, Tranny Bearings, to name a few

Guess you are Right Bro What a Joke

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Polaris is going to recall-em Right???

Like they did the Front diff, Rear-ends,Air intake system, Drive-lines, Tranny Bearings, to name a few

Guess you are Right Bro What a Joke
It's in the works.... they're going to recall everything and in most cases buy everybody's cars back LOL

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Getting the bearing swapped out today splitting the cases cleaning the case halves and have it back together today look...no reverse chainhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/f52a4beb177984a1ea8703f7df835380.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/e33d048e224299e30e9730ad5f1e9ef8.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/58b40c6f35d26bf6695da533198cb8bf.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/df9efe3daf61bfcb2e996ea4c76b10b8.jpg

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Oh whats that say.....
PEER... must be the high performance Chinese version bearing LOLhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/24743d4761276277f8e0fc705607d2e0.jpg

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[milosusa]

Good old Peer bearings !!! LOL
I think Polaris own this Chinese company ...:(
milos

[motosx]

[emoji1303][emoji1303][emoji389][emoji389][emoji1303][emoji1303] lol

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Trans is all back together👍

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3 out of 4 axle seals are leaking makes me wonder who assembles these cars lolhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/948f87de81903df2894220979f705c0b.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/15634caf29d0064a615d24a309d7b8ef.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/c443712e69219286b6d04ff1e7346555.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/0854bed5c8ca5aec91f85329f8bd374e.jpg

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Getting the bearing swapped out today splitting the cases cleaning the case halves and have it back together today look...no reverse chainhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/f52a4beb177984a1ea8703f7df835380.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/e33d048e224299e30e9730ad5f1e9ef8.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/58b40c6f35d26bf6695da533198cb8bf.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/df9efe3daf61bfcb2e996ea4c76b10b8.jpg

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Its good to hear they don't have the reverse chain .

[gridman]

Moto is in good hands

[EPL]

moto is in good hands

x2 !!

[gridman]

I'm just trying to get a new sweatshirt LOL

[Controlled Force]

x2 !!


Moto is in good hands
👍👏👋👊✋✌👌👆

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[Controlled Force]

I'm just trying to get a new sweatshirt LOL
I'm having some new logos made up,soon Pat soon..

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[Beach Leo]

3 out of 4 axle seals are leaking makes me wonder who assembles these cars lolhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/948f87de81903df2894220979f705c0b.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/15634caf29d0064a615d24a309d7b8ef.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/c443712e69219286b6d04ff1e7346555.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/0854bed5c8ca5aec91f85329f8bd374e.jpg

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Should have been a perfect>>> 4 outa 4

Need to report this to Polaris

So they can make effective changes immediately

No Chain in Tranny what a great change, back to the old with No Tranny Chain

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They totally Screwed Up

Should have been a perfect>>> 4 outa 4

Need to report this to Polaris

So they can make effective changes immediately

No Chain in Tranny what a great change, back to the old with No Tranny Chain
😂😂😂😂

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I was draining the oil out of the front diff into a bucket and holding it in a position as if it were mounted in the car,,
Once the oil stopped coming out of the drain plug I decided to roll it back and forth and side to side and cannot believe how much more dirty oil was coming out,
Unfortunately we don't have that option while draining the oil with the diff mounted in the car..
Another bad design by Polaris in my opinion

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Here's another maintenance tip..
This applies to ALL sxs makes and models, not just Polaris.

Take your secondary clutch off and with a Scotch-Brite pad and you'll see areas on the shaft that are rusted clean that off and apply a thin coat of anti seize.

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[Desert900]

I was draining the oil out of the front diff into a bucket and holding it in a position as if it were mounted in the car,,
Once the oil stopped coming out of the drain plug I decided to roll it back and forth and side to side and cannot believe how much more dirty oil was coming out,
Unfortunately we don't have that option while draining the oil with the diff mounted in the car..
Another bad design by Polaris in my opinion

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All the more reason to adopt shorter drain intervals, eh?

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A lot of bit of nastiness on that drain plug for a car that doesn't have that many miles on ithttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160406/448fa8f7b2f75a302d30a15dfe1f4134.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160406/5333a7a11176c050a28980eda5016815.jpg

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[gridman]

Ben be easy on Moto I need to talk him into a Sled next year LOL

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Ben be easy on Moto I need to talk him into a Sled next year LOL
Tell him to buy a Yamaha, and he'll have no worries😉

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[crazywatson]

Polishing the shaft, now that's good customer service!

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Polishing the shaft, now that's good customer service!

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Easy now Watson....
I don't know if I like your interpretation of polishing shafts😂

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[The Rattler (BLR)]

Polishing the shaft, now that's good customer service!

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What do mean Watson???
There maybe several guys that want to be shined

[crazywatson]

Lol

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[Desert900]

What do mean Watson???
There maybe several guys that want to be shined

I think that's the California chapter of the Samurai forum. :rolleyes:

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Getting Motos car back together,, I'll have to say Polaris went and F*#K this design up really bad...

It's nothing like before as far as pulling the transmission out and putting it back in😠http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160413/bf02cc0bd9ef2c37f92f8e66d1cba2a0.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160413/69a7766c03c9275e0a9ece1ca7c22cf2.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160413/3a5fb5314d9a4d075ba39e3d0443730d.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160413/bff7aa6698edd4c4a6dfb47a04617b52.jpg

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